PMQs live: Keir Starmer to face Rishi Sunak as Tory MPs prepare to vote in leadership ballot

PMQs live: Keir Starmer to face Rishi Sunak as Tory MPs prepare to vote in leadership ballot


Jenrick suggests he is victim of ‘horse trading’ as MPs prepare to choose final two leadership candidates for members’ ballot

Good morning. Keir Starmer is taking PMQs today, for the first time since the conference season recess and the internal No 10 reshuffle that saw his chief of staff, Sue Gray, in effect sacked. But there may be even more interest in what Bob Blackman, chair of the Conservative 1922 Committee, has to say at 3.30pm, when he announces the names of the two Tory leadership candidates who will go to the ballot of members.

One of them is about 99.999% certain to be James Cleverly. The other will be either Kemi Badenoch or Robert Jenrick. They are both candidates for the Tory right, but Badenoch is a lifelong, conviction rightwinger, very popular with Tory members, while Jenrick is someone elected to parliament as a Cameroon moderniser who says he has been radicalised into favouring ECHR withdrawal by his experience in a Home Office unable to control irregular migration.

Until the Tory conference, Jenrick was the clear bookmakers’ favourite. But today he is the candidate struggling the most.

Jenrick was only one vote ahead of Badenoch yesterday and no one is confident about predicting what will happen today. That is because Tory MPs are not just voting for who they want to be leader. They are voting for who they want to be in the final two (mindful of who they want as leader), and who they don’t want in the final two (because stopping the candidate they hate often matters more than backing the person they like).

In a last minute attempt to win over some extra votes, Jenrick gave an interview to Kay Burley on Sky News this morning. (Badenoch’s team probably decided that the thing most likely to help her campaign would be keeping her off the media – she often finds it hard to get through an interview without patronising or arguing with the presenter in a manner that reinforces claims she’s divisive and abrasive.) When Burley asked Jenrick why Cleverly did so well yesterday, Jenrick implied that he was the vicitm of “horse trading” by MPs swapping votes to keep him out. He replied:

There’s always horse trading, OK, in the final stages ….

I’ve been around long enough to know that in the last few votes in these leadership contests there’s always people moving around votes and so on.

When Burley asked if he was implying that the Badenoch camp was lending votes to Cleverly, to keep Jenrick off the final shortlist, Jenrick replied: “I don’t know.”

Neither do we, and perhaps we never will. Strategic vote swapping does happen in ballots like this, but people almost never admit it, and it can be risky. And, while sometimes it involves the campaign manager of the candidate in the lead actively asking a handful of supporters to vote for the weaker opponent, it can just involve MPs freelancing. Around half of Tory MPs have not declared publicly who they are supporting, and some of them will be keeping that information private even from colleagues.

But if there is vote swapping happening today, Jenrick is more likely to be the beneficiary than the victim. The most recent survey of Tory members suggest Badenoch would beat Cleverly in the final ballot, but Jenrick wouldn’t, and so the Cleverly team (the only ones theoretically with spare votes to divvy up) have an incentive to get Jenrick over the line.

In his interview, Jenrick also claimed that he would move the Tories back onto the “common ground” of British politics – a pitch to the centre designed to appeal to the 20 Tory MPs who voted yesterday for Tom Tugendhat, who is now eliminated. Jenrick said:

In this leadership contest over the last few months I think I’ve been the only candidate who has set out specific, clear policies to tackle the big issues facing our country – the NHS, how do we grow the economy, how do we tackle immigration, secure our borders

Because I think it’s so important that the Conservative party gets back onto the common ground of British politics, addressing the things that the public really care about.

And the polling suggests that, of the candidates, I am the best placed to win back the millions of votes to we lost to Reform, and the votes to be lost on our left to the Lib Dems.

If we don’t do that, then there’s no future for our party, and we will be stuck in the political wilderness for years to come.

So the party needs now somebody who is professional, who’s competent, and is focused on the most salient issues, the things that your viewers really care about. That is me. That’s what I want to do for the Conservative party.

Here is the agenda for the day.

11.30am: Bridget Phillipson takes questions in the Commons in her capacity as minister for women and equalities.

Noon: Keir Starmer faces Rishi Sunak at PMQs.

After 12.30pm: Angela Rayner, the deputy PM and housing secretary, opens the second reading of the renters’ rights bill.

1.30pm: Tory MPs start voing in the final parliamentary ballot in the Tory leadership contest.

3.30pm: Bob Blackman, chair of the 1922 Committee, announces the results of the Tory leadership ballot.

Also, David Lammy, the foreign secretary, is in the Middle East, visiting Bahrain and Jordan.

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Bookmakers have cut the odds on Kemi Badenoch becoming next Tory leader because there has been a surge of money going her way in the last 24 hours, according to Oddschecker, a betting prize comparison website. Leon Blackman, a spokesperson for the firm, said:

Kemi Badenoch’s sudden surge in support has shaken up the Conservative leadership market. Within a day, her odds have been slashed from 6/1 to 6/4, as she takes the lion’s share of today’s bets. While Cleverly remains the favourite, his hold on the top spot looks increasingly precarious.

Blackman said Cleverly’s odds are 6/5, and Robert Jenrick is the outside at 7/2.

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Danny Kruger, Robert Jenrick’s campaign manager, told Times Radio this morning that he thought Jenrick would make the final shortlist, Aubrey Allegretti reports.

“It looks like James [Cleverly] will get through” to the final two, says Tory MP Danny Kruger, Robert Jenrick’s campaign manager.

He denies Jenrick going backwards is terminal, telling @TimesRadio “the numbers go up and down” and Cleverly “flatlined” in the second round.

— Aubrey Allegretti (@breeallegretti) October 9, 2024

“It looks like James [Cleverly] will get through” to the final two, says Tory MP Danny Kruger, Robert Jenrick’s campaign manager.

He denies Jenrick going backwards is terminal, telling @TimesRadio “the numbers go up and down” and Cleverly “flatlined” in the second round.

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Bernard Jenkin, a former chair of the Commons liaison committee and a leading pro-Brexit Tory, has said that he is backing Kemi Badenoch for leader.

Any of the 3 @Conservatives leadership contenders wd be a credible leader. Until now, I have kept my counsel, but now I wish to make clear I will vote for @KemiBadenoch in today’s ballot. She has the most potential.

— Bernard Jenkin MP (@bernardjenkin) October 9, 2024

Any of the 3 @Conservatives leadership contenders wd be a credible leader. Until now, I have kept my counsel, but now I wish to make clear I will vote for @KemiBadenoch in today’s ballot. She has the most potential.

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Late yesterday afternoon Downing Street announced a series of ministerial appointments to the Government Equalities Office. Four people who were already ministers will get an equalities portfolio in addition to their current ministerial roles. The timing of the announcement may have been related to the fact that it is women and equalities questions in the Commons this morning.

Seema Malhotra, a Home Office minister, and Nia Griffith, a Welsh Office minister, are have both been made equalities ministers too. And, in the Lords, Jacqui Smith, skills minister, and Ray Collins, deputy leader of the Lords and a Foreign Office minister, will be government spokespeople for equalities.

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Ladbrokes, the betting firm, says this morning that Robert Jenrick is now the outsider in the contest, according to its odds. The company says he is “the 16/5 outsider in the three-horse race, with Kemi Badenoch (7/4) overtaking him in the last 24 hours” and James Cleverly the favourite, on evens.

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Here are excerpts from three takes around this morning on what will happen in the Tory leadership ballot this afternoon.

In a BBC article, Chris Mason, the BBC’s political editor, says Robert Jenrick’s supporters claim they are confident of making the final two.

It may not seem like a big number, but 20 is one heck of a lot in an electorate of 121.

“James is an irrelevance now. It’s all now a battle between us and Kemi’s team,” said a Team Jenrick insider.

“Tom’s supporters are closer to our side than hers,” they added.

“We’ll be ahead in the end.”

It is a characteristic blast of confidence from Jenrick’s camp, who have exuded plenty of it throughout.

But there is no shortage of psychology in all of this too – and you might need a splash of outward confidence when you have just been knocked off top spot and managed to go backwards.

Giles Dilnot, the ConservativeHome editor, says in an article he does not expect vote lending to happen.

He’s military minded to his core, regardless of whether he went to Luton, not Basra. He’ll often cite tactical lessons from generals of the past over the politics of now.

So, instinctively, wise or not, he won’t try to influence who his opponent might end up being, to get into the last two. He will marshal his team and his tactics to be ready to tackle whomsoever MPs choose in a way that suits him, and his message.

Besides, I don’t see anyone able to lend votes to another candidate, there still aren’t enough to go around without risk. He will in essence face who he’s given – or bow out wondering how it all changed again so quickly.

And Robert Peston, the ITV political editor, says in a post on social media he expects Jenrick to fall out of the contest today.

The outcome depends largely on how Tugendhat’s released supporters break. Talking to some of them my expectation is maybe half go to Cleverly, who as I said earlier is a racing certainty to be one of the final two candidates for members to evaluate.

The others are mulling. But the way they talk fondly about Badenoch as the “high risk, high return” candidate suggests to me she will join Cleverly in the final round – and that the front runner till today, Robert Jenrick, will have had his chips.

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Nigel Farage, the Reform UK leader, seems to agree with Robert Jenrick (see 9.35am) that Jenrick is at risk of losing out because of Tory MPs voting tactically against him. As the Telegraph reports, Farage told GB News:

Who makes the last two? Well, I tell you: Cleverly, clearly makes the last two. And in fact, you would expect, in policy and positioning terms, him to get many of the Tugendhat votes. So who makes it through between Jenrick on 31 and Badenoch on 30? Here is my guess.

My guess is that the Cleverly camp and the Conservative establishment will lend a few votes to Kemi Badenoch because they don’t want Jenrick – because Jenrick wants to do things like leave the ECHR, and that would never do.

So that’s my prediction. That’s what will happen. It’ll be Cleverly versus Badenoch.

Well, that’s one theory …

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Last night Nick Timothy, who was one of the most powerful people in government when he was Theresa May’s co-chief of staff for almost a year until the 2017 election, said he was switching from Tom Tugendhat to Robert Jenrick.

I supported Tom Tugendhat for the Tory leadership until he was knocked out today. I will vote for Rob Jenrick tomorrow.

My party needs to be unsparing in its analysis of why we lost and what we must do next. Rob has shown his willingness to do that, so he has my full support.

— Nick Timothy MP (@NJ_Timothy) October 8, 2024

I supported Tom Tugendhat for the Tory leadership until he was knocked out today. I will vote for Rob Jenrick tomorrow.

My party needs to be unsparing in its analysis of why we lost and what we must do next. Rob has shown his willingness to do that, so he has my full support.

And Caroline Dinenage declared last night she was backing James Cleverly.

Having carefully watched the leadership campaign unfold I concluded that @JamesCleverly is the right person to rebuild our party.

He has a wealth of experience and the ability to unite us with action, not just words, and restore trust.

He gets my vote ✅ pic.twitter.com/uGzELP9P6I

— Caroline Dinenage MP (@cj_dinenage) October 8, 2024

Having carefully watched the leadership campaign unfold I concluded that @JamesCleverly is the right person to rebuild our party.

He has a wealth of experience and the ability to unite us with action, not just words, and restore trust.

He gets my vote

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Iain Duncan Smith backs Badenoch for Tory leader

Kemi Badenoch has received a useful endoresement this morning. Iain Duncan Smith, a former party leader, posted a message on social media this morning saying he was backing her because she was capable of facing up to the “hard truths from that terrible election result”. He said:

As today is the last parliamentary round to decide the final two contenders, I think it’s right to say who I hope will become the next leader of the @Conservatives Party.

That person must be capable of returning the Party to its central values and core beliefs. Who recognises…

— Iain Duncan Smith MP Chingford & Woodford Green (@MPIainDS) October 9, 2024

As today is the last parliamentary round to decide the final two contenders, I think it’s right to say who I hope will become the next leader of the @Conservatives Party.

That person must be capable of returning the Party to its central values and core beliefs. Who recognises why millions of Conservative voters deserted us in July, feeling that the Party in government was no longer behaving like the one they voted for overwhelmingly in 2019.

The individual who does not reach for the default easy comfort blanket of our past achievements but faces up to the hard truths from that terrible election result, and has the humility to learn from it as well as the strength to do something about it.

Most of all, the individual who is not just the right person for today, but who can grow with the Party over the next five years, so that by 2029 the electorate will be able to see what has been achieved, that the Conservative Party has completed its journey of repair and offers a real alternative to this dysfunctional Labour government, and once again is fit to govern.

I believe that person to be @KemiBadenoch and I shall be voting for her today.

The line about not reaching for the “default easy comfort blanket of our past achievements” is a clear jibe at James Cleverly, who has been talking most about what the Tories achieved in office, and arguably least about how they should change going ahead.

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Jenrick suggests he is victim of ‘horse trading’ as MPs prepare to choose final two leadership candidates for members’ ballot

Good morning. Keir Starmer is taking PMQs today, for the first time since the conference season recess and the internal No 10 reshuffle that saw his chief of staff, Sue Gray, in effect sacked. But there may be even more interest in what Bob Blackman, chair of the Conservative 1922 Committee, has to say at 3.30pm, when he announces the names of the two Tory leadership candidates who will go to the ballot of members.

One of them is about 99.999% certain to be James Cleverly. The other will be either Kemi Badenoch or Robert Jenrick. They are both candidates for the Tory right, but Badenoch is a lifelong, conviction rightwinger, very popular with Tory members, while Jenrick is someone elected to parliament as a Cameroon moderniser who says he has been radicalised into favouring ECHR withdrawal by his experience in a Home Office unable to control irregular migration.

Until the Tory conference, Jenrick was the clear bookmakers’ favourite. But today he is the candidate struggling the most.

Jenrick was only one vote ahead of Badenoch yesterday and no one is confident about predicting what will happen today. That is because Tory MPs are not just voting for who they want to be leader. They are voting for who they want to be in the final two (mindful of who they want as leader), and who they don’t want in the final two (because stopping the candidate they hate often matters more than backing the person they like).

In a last minute attempt to win over some extra votes, Jenrick gave an interview to Kay Burley on Sky News this morning. (Badenoch’s team probably decided that the thing most likely to help her campaign would be keeping her off the media – she often finds it hard to get through an interview without patronising or arguing with the presenter in a manner that reinforces claims she’s divisive and abrasive.) When Burley asked Jenrick why Cleverly did so well yesterday, Jenrick implied that he was the vicitm of “horse trading” by MPs swapping votes to keep him out. He replied:

There’s always horse trading, OK, in the final stages ….

I’ve been around long enough to know that in the last few votes in these leadership contests there’s always people moving around votes and so on.

When Burley asked if he was implying that the Badenoch camp was lending votes to Cleverly, to keep Jenrick off the final shortlist, Jenrick replied: “I don’t know.”

Neither do we, and perhaps we never will. Strategic vote swapping does happen in ballots like this, but people almost never admit it, and it can be risky. And, while sometimes it involves the campaign manager of the candidate in the lead actively asking a handful of supporters to vote for the weaker opponent, it can just involve MPs freelancing. Around half of Tory MPs have not declared publicly who they are supporting, and some of them will be keeping that information private even from colleagues.

But if there is vote swapping happening today, Jenrick is more likely to be the beneficiary than the victim. The most recent survey of Tory members suggest Badenoch would beat Cleverly in the final ballot, but Jenrick wouldn’t, and so the Cleverly team (the only ones theoretically with spare votes to divvy up) have an incentive to get Jenrick over the line.

In his interview, Jenrick also claimed that he would move the Tories back onto the “common ground” of British politics – a pitch to the centre designed to appeal to the 20 Tory MPs who voted yesterday for Tom Tugendhat, who is now eliminated. Jenrick said:

In this leadership contest over the last few months I think I’ve been the only candidate who has set out specific, clear policies to tackle the big issues facing our country – the NHS, how do we grow the economy, how do we tackle immigration, secure our borders

Because I think it’s so important that the Conservative party gets back onto the common ground of British politics, addressing the things that the public really care about.

And the polling suggests that, of the candidates, I am the best placed to win back the millions of votes to we lost to Reform, and the votes to be lost on our left to the Lib Dems.

If we don’t do that, then there’s no future for our party, and we will be stuck in the political wilderness for years to come.

So the party needs now somebody who is professional, who’s competent, and is focused on the most salient issues, the things that your viewers really care about. That is me. That’s what I want to do for the Conservative party.

Here is the agenda for the day.

11.30am: Bridget Phillipson takes questions in the Commons in her capacity as minister for women and equalities.

Noon: Keir Starmer faces Rishi Sunak at PMQs.

After 12.30pm: Angela Rayner, the deputy PM and housing secretary, opens the second reading of the renters’ rights bill.

1.30pm: Tory MPs start voing in the final parliamentary ballot in the Tory leadership contest.

3.30pm: Bob Blackman, chair of the 1922 Committee, announces the results of the Tory leadership ballot.

Also, David Lammy, the foreign secretary, is in the Middle East, visiting Bahrain and Jordan.

If you want to contact me, please post a message below the line (BTL) or message me on social media. I can’t read all the messages BTL, but if you put “Andrew” in a message aimed at me, I am more likely to see it because I search for posts containing that word.

If you want to flag something up urgently, it is best to use social media. I’m still using X and I’ll see something addressed to @AndrewSparrow very quickly. I’m also trying Bluesky (@andrewsparrowgdn) and Threads (@andrewsparrowtheguardian).

I find it very helpful when readers point out mistakes, even minor typos (no error is too small to correct). And I find your questions very interesting too. I can’t promise to reply to them all, but I will try to reply to as many as I can, either BTL or sometimes in the blog.

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